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<p class='flavour'>"Wisdom begets peace. Patience begets wisdom. Fear not, for the time shall come when fear too shall pass. Let us pray, and may the unity of our vision make saints of us all."</p>
<p class='flavour'>"Visit the interior of the Earth. By rectification thou shalt find the hidden stone. Above the gold, lieth the red. Kether in Malkuth."</p>
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== Summary ==
== Summary ==
"If you die by execution, your team loses."
"You have a not-in-play Minion ability."


The Saint ends the game if they are executed.
The Alchemist has a Minion ability.
* If the Saint dies by execution, the game ends. Good loses and evil wins.
* The Alchemist’s ability must be that of a not-in-play Minion. It cannot duplicate an in-play Minion’s ability.
* If the Saint dies in any way other than execution—such as the Demon killing them—then the game continues.
* The Alchemist learns which ability this is on the first night.
* They are still a good Townsfolk. They win when good wins, and lose when good loses. They register as good and as the Alchemist.
* The Alchemist does not wake to learn who the other Minions are or who the Demon is, like Minions do.
* If the Alchemist’s Minion ability adds or removes characters during setup, this still occurs during setup.
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== How to Run ==
== How to Run ==
If the Saint dies by execution, declare that the game ends and evil wins.


The Saint's ability has the strange phrase "your team loses." In Trouble Brewing, this will always mean "evil wins" because the Saint is always good. In other editions, it is possible for characters to change alignment. If the evil Saint is executed, good wins.
During the first night, wake the Alchemist. Show the '''YOU ARE''' info token then the character token of a not-in-play Minion. Put the Alchemist to sleep. Mark the Alchemist with the '''IS THE ALCHEMIST''' reminder. Swap the Alchemist token with this Minion token. Turn the Minion token upside-down. (''This shows they are still good.'')
 
The Alchemist has this Minion ability. They use it as if they were a Minion, and wake at night when that Minion would normally wake to use their ability.
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There are seven players alive and nominations are in progress. The Saint gets four votes and is about to die. Then, the {{Evil|Baron}} is nominated but only gets three votes. No more nominations occur today. The Saint is executed, and evil wins.
The Alchemist has the {{Evil|Poisoner}}’s ability. Each night, the Alchemist wakes and chooses a player to poison.
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The {{Evil|Imp}} is nominated, and the players vote. The {{Traveler|Gunslinger}} kills the Saint. The Saint dies, and the game continues.
The Alchemist has the {{Evil|Scarlet Woman}}’s ability. The {{Evil|Imp}} kills themselves at night, and the Alchemist becomes the good {{Evil|Imp}}.
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The Saint is executed. However, the {{Traveler|Scapegoat}}'s ability is triggered, so the {{Traveler|Scapegoat}} dies instead. The game continues, because the Saint did not die.
The Alchemist has the {{Evil|Assassin}}’s ability. The {{Good|Dreamer}} chooses the Alchemist. The {{Good|Dreamer}} learns that they are either the Alchemist or the {{Evil|Assassin}}.
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== Tips & Tricks ==
== Tips & Tricks ==


* Do not get executed.
* You know one Minion that is not in play. Let the good team know this as soon as you can. It might not seem like much, but knowing for certain that their is no {{Evil|Poisoner}} in play could mean that there are no good players getting false information.


* No, really. Don't. If you die by execution, the game ends, and your whole team loses. Make sure the good team knows you are the Saint! Tell it in the streets! Tell it from the rooftops! Tell it to everybody! You must be believed to be a good player, or it's curtains. If you have been nominated, cry black and blue that you are the Saint, loudly and publicly... the fate of the game depends on it.
* Minion abilities tend to be much more powerful than Townsfolk abilities, so never sacrifice yourself for the greater good if you can help it.  


* To help prove that you are good, you can arrange for other good players to confirm your identity. Kill players sitting between you and an {{Good|Empath}} so that the {{Good|Empath}} learns your alignment. Convince the {{Good|Fortune Teller}} to select you at night to prove you are not the Demon. Find a {{Good|Ravenkeeper}} and get them to agree to choose you so they learn who you are. Get a {{Good|Slayer}} to attempt to slay you.The Demon will usually not want to kill you at night, so the question of who you really are will be asked by the group at some stage, and having some players back you up could be crucial.
* Your strategy almost entirely depends on which Minion ability you have. If you are uncertain what to do, stay silent and wait for a day or so until you figure it out. Sometimes, you may want to reveal that you are the Alchemist early on, sometimes after a day or two, and sometimes not until you have died.  


* Alternatively, either stay silent, or bluff as a juicy target for the Demon to attack, such as the {{Good|Slayer}} or the {{Good|Monk}}. If you die at night, then you remove the possibility of being executed accidentally by the good team. It's only executions that count for your ability.
* If you have an ability that can directly hurt a single evil player, such as the {{Evil|Poisoner}}, {{Evil|Assassin}}, {{Evil|Pit-Hag}}, {{Evil|Psychopath}}, or {{Evil|Witch}}, then pay attention to who is bluffing as what and cast a suspicious eye over anyone who's story doesn't add up. These abilities are dangerous in the hands of an evil player, but in the hands of a good player - you - they can win the game if you choose wisely. Make sure you use your ability before you die. It's worth risking killing / poisoning / making mad / changing the character of a good player or two, just in case you get an evil player in the mix.


* Find out which other Outsiders are in play. If there are supposed to be two Outsiders in the game, and the only Outsiders to come out publicly are you and the {{Good|Recluse}}, for example, then even though you both look inherently suspicious, there are supposed to be two Outsiders in play, so the good team may believe that you are good for this reason alone. If you're the only one, so much the better! It must be you and a {{Good|Drunk}}.
* If you have an ability that can directly help a single good player, such as the {{Evil|Devil's Advocate}} or {{Evil|Pit-Hag}}, then talk to the good players and see who is the most trustworthy. Help them with your ability as much as you can, preferably only revealing who you are afterwards.  
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* If you have an ability that can win the game for the good team directly, such as the {{Evil|Fearmonger}} or the {{Evil|Goblin}}, then it is probably best to let the whole group know that you are the Alchemist and what your Minion ability is. That way, the good team can orchestrate a good win fairly easily. However, you will need to convince them that you are a good player and not just a Minion bluffing as the Alchemist, as the good team would lose if this were the case. Work with other players that can confirm good players, such as the {{Good|Town Crier}} or the {{Good|Seamstress}} to confirm your identity. If you need to, work in secret until you think that the good team will take a chance and use your ability deliberately. You may only get one shot at this, since once the evil team learns that you are the Alchemist with a game-winning ability, you are likely to die the next night.


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* If you have an ability that changes the number of Outsiders in play, such as the {{Evil|Godfather}} or {{Evil|Baron}}, then you should still have a net-positive effect on the game. Adding an Outsider is definitely a negative for the good team, but this will usually come with the knowledge as to how many Outsiders are actually in play. If you know for certain that there are two Outsiders in play, for example, then approaching those Outsiders and telling them who you are, while also keeping those Outsiders alive (they are good, after all!), will be a huge boon to the good team.


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* If you have an ability that at first seems that it only benefits the evil team, look closer. It may be able to be twisted to benefit the good team with some unusual play. Characters like the {{Evil|Boomdandy}},  {{Evil|Evil Twin}}, {{Evil|Mezepheles}}, or the {{Evil|Marionette}}, may look useless at first glance, but having these abilities still gives you something. If you have the {{Evil|Boomdandy}} ability, then deliberately getting yourself executed guarantees to avoid the situation where the final three alive players are all evil and good can't win. If you have the {{Evil|Evil Twin}} ability, you know a player of the opposing alignment. If you have the {{Evil|Mezepheles}} ability, then a player who tells you that that they turned evil definitely isn't the Demon and they will almost certainly vote how you tell them to. If you have the {{Evil|Marionette}} ability, then you "have the ability of a Minion that thinks that they are a good player", which means that you drew a good character token out of the bag and have no idea that you are the Alchemist - but you are sitting next to the Demon. If you think you are a good character and your ability isn't working properly, you might secretly be the Alchemist-Marionette and sitting next to the Demon, which is crucial information if you can figure it out.


== Bluffing as the Saint ==
* You may have a Minion ability that is a flat-out detriment to the good team, such as the {{Evil|Mastermind}}, or the {{Evil|Scarlet Woman}}. In this case, the Storyteller has decided to tilt the scales in the favour of the evil team. However, in this case, ask the question "What other strange things have happened in the game setup?". It is likely that the Storyteller has added a lot of excellent information Townsfolk characters with no poisoning or drunkenness, or has a particularly powerful character interaction in play, such as the {{Good|Washerwoman}} knowing who the {{Good|Mayor}} is, or the {{Good|Chef}} receiving an unusually high number. If the Storyteller set the game up to be balanced, a little bit of outside-the-box thinking goes a long way. Also, look for particular character combinations that you can use to your advantage. If you have the {{Evil|Scarlet Woman}} ability and the Demon is the {{Evil|Imp}}, then tricking the Imp into killing themselves at night will make you into the good Imp - much to the surprise of the evil team, assuredly. If you have the {{Evil|Mastermind}} ability, then check that there isn't a {{Good|Heretic}} in play, just in case your ability is there to save the day. However, the Storyteller may have just decided to throw a curve-ball to the good team, and given you a Minion ability that helps the evil team overall, just for the sake of an unpleasant surprise. Storytellers are tricky like that. Be wary.


When bluffing as the Saint, there are a few things you should keep in mind:
* The Alchemist is jinxed with the {{Evil|Spy}} and the {{Evil|Widow}}. The Alchemist can not currently have these abilities. However, the {{Fabled|Djinn}} jinx may be updated at a later time to allow these characters to interact.
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* You would never wake, learn anything, or act during the day, except on your execution, at which point the game is already over.
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* Because of the Saint's lose condition, it is easily one of the best evil bluffs in the game. It is such a risk to execute you that the good team will usually err on the side of caution and leave you alone. This does not mean that it is bulletproof; on the final day, you're at the same risk as everyone else (since if they don't execute the Demon, they lose anyway). You'll also come under a reasonable amount of scrutiny as the game progresses.
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* Saint is often an excellent bluff for the {{Evil|Poisoner}} in particular. Even if the good team truly believe you to be evil, perhaps with information from all three of the {{Good|Investigator}}, {{Good|Empath}}, and {{Good|Ravenkeeper}}, the good team may still be too scared to execute you before the final day, by when you've already done all the damage you need to. You can then either get executed and win for the evil team, or if you think the good team know you're not the Demon, have the {{Evil|Imp}} attack themself in the night and make you the new Demon.
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* If you are the {{Evil|Imp}}, you know that your execution causes your team to lose if there's no {{Evil|Scarlet Woman}} in the game. Because of that, if you're slated to be executed and try desperately to save yourself, the good team may correctly interpret that as a Demon trying to save themselves, at least long enough to kill themself and pass on the responsibilities to a Minion. That is severely limited by the Saint bluff, however - they may read that you want to avoid execution to stop your team from losing, but not know which team that is.
 
* Bluffing as the Saint in a game with no {{Evil|Baron}} can be tricky since you will likely be conflicting with other Outsiders. Fortunately, your lose condition makes you a larger threat to execute over a {{Good|Butler}} or {{Good|Recluse}}; use this to your advantage to leverage the execution of a good player.
 
* You may be detected as evil at some point during the game. A great counter-argument is that because you are the Saint, you are being targeted by the Storyteller. For example, you could say you are the {{Good|Fortune Teller}}'s false positive, or that an {{Good|Empath}} getting an evil read on you is actually {{Good|Drunk}}.
 
* Good players benefit from bluffing as the Saint as well! Demons are unlikely to target a Saint since they would much rather they be executed. Using this to your advantage can allow you to survive a few days longer as an {{Good|Empath}} or {{Good|Fortune Teller}}.


* If you are executed, it will become immediately obvious you are not the Saint when the game doesn't end. Be prepared to have a back up bluff, such as the {{Good|Recluse}}, or a powerful Townsfolk who didn't want to die (like the {{Good|Undertaker}} or {{Good|Slayer}}).
== Bluffing as the Alchemist ==


* Beware of {{Good|Slayer}}(s)! The Saint is usually a very powerful bluff to keep yourself safe from execution, but if a {{Good|Slayer}} is in play, they will very likely want to test you, and would not trigger the Saint's lose condition using their ability. One good way to circumvent this is to have a Minion bluff as the Saint, get slayed, and then have the {{Evil|Imp}} pass the Demonhood to them after that.
When bluffing as the Alchemist, there are a few things you should keep in mind:


* If you get nominated, drop any previous bluff and come out as the Saint. Claim that your previous information and character were a ploy to attempt to get the Demon to target you. This will usually give the good team significant pause.
* If you are a Minion, bluffing as the Alchemist is easy. All you need to do is to tell the group that you have your Minion ability, which is true, but that you are the Alchemist, which is false. You are *practically* telling the truth! This works especially well if you can confirm your identity by some public effect, such as there being an extra two Outsiders in play due to your {{Evil|Baron}} ability, or getting yourself executed as the {{Evil|Boomdandy}}, or changing another's character as the {{Evil|Pit-Hag}}. The benefit of coming out as the Alchemist and revealing your real Minion ability in this way, is that the good team will think that you are good, keep you alive for as long as possible, and confuse any dependant information, such as that from the {{Good|Empath}} or the {{Good|Tea Lady}}.  


* Don't be afraid to claim to be the Saint, even if there's already one in play. The good team can usually resolve cases of two players claiming to be the same character by executing them both in either order, but this is not possible to do with the Saint.
* If you are bluffing as the Minion that you really are, be patient. The good team is unlikely to execute a player claiming to be the {{Evil|Goblin}} just on a whim, even if that player claims to be good. The good team is unlikely to execute the player that you choose with your {{Evil|Fearmonger}} ability for the same reason. They might, but they will usually want to confirm that you are good and willing to be a team player first. So, be patient, let the good players give you some advice, be seen to be a team player, and let the good team make up their own mind to "win" with your ability. Nudges tend to work better than frothing enthusiasm, but every group is different.  


* Claiming to be an Outsider can obfuscate the presence of the {{Good|Drunk}}, or cause the good team to think that a {{Evil|Baron}} is in play.
* When bluffing as a Minion that is not in play, make sure that neither of those Minions have too great of a public tell. For example, if you are the {{Evil|Baron}}, but are claiming to be the Alchemist-{{Evil|Fearmonger}}, then that won't slide, since the good team will know whether the Baron or the Fearmonger is really in play. (The Baron adds two Outsiders, which is fairly obvious, and the Fearmonger is declared by the Storyteller).  


* Bluffing as the Alchemist and claiming that a different Minion ability is in play than what really is, can be a great way to throw the good team off the scent. Particularly in one-Minion games, the good team gains a significant advantage when they know which Minion is in play, because they also learn which Minions are not in play. If you can convince them that there is not an {{Evil|Poisoner}}, {{Evil|Mastermind}}, or {{Evil|Goblin}} in play when there actually is, that could win the game.
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Icon alchemist.png Information

Type Townsfolk
Artist Marianna Carr

"Visit the interior of the Earth. By rectification thou shalt find the hidden stone. Above the gold, lieth the red. Kether in Malkuth."

Character Showcase

Summary

"You have a not-in-play Minion ability."

The Alchemist has a Minion ability.

  • The Alchemist’s ability must be that of a not-in-play Minion. It cannot duplicate an in-play Minion’s ability.
  • The Alchemist learns which ability this is on the first night.
  • They are still a good Townsfolk. They win when good wins, and lose when good loses. They register as good and as the Alchemist.
  • The Alchemist does not wake to learn who the other Minions are or who the Demon is, like Minions do.
  • If the Alchemist’s Minion ability adds or removes characters during setup, this still occurs during setup.

How to Run

During the first night, wake the Alchemist. Show the YOU ARE info token then the character token of a not-in-play Minion. Put the Alchemist to sleep. Mark the Alchemist with the IS THE ALCHEMIST reminder. Swap the Alchemist token with this Minion token. Turn the Minion token upside-down. (This shows they are still good.)

The Alchemist has this Minion ability. They use it as if they were a Minion, and wake at night when that Minion would normally wake to use their ability.

Examples

The Alchemist has the Poisoner’s ability. Each night, the Alchemist wakes and chooses a player to poison.

The Alchemist has the Scarlet Woman’s ability. The Imp kills themselves at night, and the Alchemist becomes the good Imp.

The Alchemist has the Assassin’s ability. The Dreamer chooses the Alchemist. The Dreamer learns that they are either the Alchemist or the Assassin.

Tips & Tricks

  • You know one Minion that is not in play. Let the good team know this as soon as you can. It might not seem like much, but knowing for certain that their is no Poisoner in play could mean that there are no good players getting false information.
  • Minion abilities tend to be much more powerful than Townsfolk abilities, so never sacrifice yourself for the greater good if you can help it.
  • Your strategy almost entirely depends on which Minion ability you have. If you are uncertain what to do, stay silent and wait for a day or so until you figure it out. Sometimes, you may want to reveal that you are the Alchemist early on, sometimes after a day or two, and sometimes not until you have died.
  • If you have an ability that can directly hurt a single evil player, such as the Poisoner, Assassin, Pit-Hag, Psychopath, or Witch, then pay attention to who is bluffing as what and cast a suspicious eye over anyone who's story doesn't add up. These abilities are dangerous in the hands of an evil player, but in the hands of a good player - you - they can win the game if you choose wisely. Make sure you use your ability before you die. It's worth risking killing / poisoning / making mad / changing the character of a good player or two, just in case you get an evil player in the mix.
  • If you have an ability that can directly help a single good player, such as the Devil's Advocate or Pit-Hag, then talk to the good players and see who is the most trustworthy. Help them with your ability as much as you can, preferably only revealing who you are afterwards.
  • If you have an ability that can win the game for the good team directly, such as the Fearmonger or the Goblin, then it is probably best to let the whole group know that you are the Alchemist and what your Minion ability is. That way, the good team can orchestrate a good win fairly easily. However, you will need to convince them that you are a good player and not just a Minion bluffing as the Alchemist, as the good team would lose if this were the case. Work with other players that can confirm good players, such as the Town Crier or the Seamstress to confirm your identity. If you need to, work in secret until you think that the good team will take a chance and use your ability deliberately. You may only get one shot at this, since once the evil team learns that you are the Alchemist with a game-winning ability, you are likely to die the next night.
  • If you have an ability that changes the number of Outsiders in play, such as the Godfather or Baron, then you should still have a net-positive effect on the game. Adding an Outsider is definitely a negative for the good team, but this will usually come with the knowledge as to how many Outsiders are actually in play. If you know for certain that there are two Outsiders in play, for example, then approaching those Outsiders and telling them who you are, while also keeping those Outsiders alive (they are good, after all!), will be a huge boon to the good team.
  • If you have an ability that at first seems that it only benefits the evil team, look closer. It may be able to be twisted to benefit the good team with some unusual play. Characters like the Boomdandy, Evil Twin, Mezepheles, or the Marionette, may look useless at first glance, but having these abilities still gives you something. If you have the Boomdandy ability, then deliberately getting yourself executed guarantees to avoid the situation where the final three alive players are all evil and good can't win. If you have the Evil Twin ability, you know a player of the opposing alignment. If you have the Mezepheles ability, then a player who tells you that that they turned evil definitely isn't the Demon and they will almost certainly vote how you tell them to. If you have the Marionette ability, then you "have the ability of a Minion that thinks that they are a good player", which means that you drew a good character token out of the bag and have no idea that you are the Alchemist - but you are sitting next to the Demon. If you think you are a good character and your ability isn't working properly, you might secretly be the Alchemist-Marionette and sitting next to the Demon, which is crucial information if you can figure it out.
  • You may have a Minion ability that is a flat-out detriment to the good team, such as the Mastermind, or the Scarlet Woman. In this case, the Storyteller has decided to tilt the scales in the favour of the evil team. However, in this case, ask the question "What other strange things have happened in the game setup?". It is likely that the Storyteller has added a lot of excellent information Townsfolk characters with no poisoning or drunkenness, or has a particularly powerful character interaction in play, such as the Washerwoman knowing who the Mayor is, or the Chef receiving an unusually high number. If the Storyteller set the game up to be balanced, a little bit of outside-the-box thinking goes a long way. Also, look for particular character combinations that you can use to your advantage. If you have the Scarlet Woman ability and the Demon is the Imp, then tricking the Imp into killing themselves at night will make you into the good Imp - much to the surprise of the evil team, assuredly. If you have the Mastermind ability, then check that there isn't a Heretic in play, just in case your ability is there to save the day. However, the Storyteller may have just decided to throw a curve-ball to the good team, and given you a Minion ability that helps the evil team overall, just for the sake of an unpleasant surprise. Storytellers are tricky like that. Be wary.
  • The Alchemist is jinxed with the Spy and the Widow. The Alchemist can not currently have these abilities. However, the Djinn jinx may be updated at a later time to allow these characters to interact.

Bluffing as the Alchemist

When bluffing as the Alchemist, there are a few things you should keep in mind:

  • If you are a Minion, bluffing as the Alchemist is easy. All you need to do is to tell the group that you have your Minion ability, which is true, but that you are the Alchemist, which is false. You are *practically* telling the truth! This works especially well if you can confirm your identity by some public effect, such as there being an extra two Outsiders in play due to your Baron ability, or getting yourself executed as the Boomdandy, or changing another's character as the Pit-Hag. The benefit of coming out as the Alchemist and revealing your real Minion ability in this way, is that the good team will think that you are good, keep you alive for as long as possible, and confuse any dependant information, such as that from the Empath or the Tea Lady.
  • If you are bluffing as the Minion that you really are, be patient. The good team is unlikely to execute a player claiming to be the Goblin just on a whim, even if that player claims to be good. The good team is unlikely to execute the player that you choose with your Fearmonger ability for the same reason. They might, but they will usually want to confirm that you are good and willing to be a team player first. So, be patient, let the good players give you some advice, be seen to be a team player, and let the good team make up their own mind to "win" with your ability. Nudges tend to work better than frothing enthusiasm, but every group is different.
  • When bluffing as a Minion that is not in play, make sure that neither of those Minions have too great of a public tell. For example, if you are the Baron, but are claiming to be the Alchemist-Fearmonger, then that won't slide, since the good team will know whether the Baron or the Fearmonger is really in play. (The Baron adds two Outsiders, which is fairly obvious, and the Fearmonger is declared by the Storyteller).
  • Bluffing as the Alchemist and claiming that a different Minion ability is in play than what really is, can be a great way to throw the good team off the scent. Particularly in one-Minion games, the good team gains a significant advantage when they know which Minion is in play, because they also learn which Minions are not in play. If you can convince them that there is not an Poisoner, Mastermind, or Goblin in play when there actually is, that could win the game.