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<p class='flavour'>"Twas the lady's quip, forsooth."</p>
<p class='flavour'>"Wisdom begets peace. Patience begets wisdom. Fear not, for the time shall come when fear too shall pass. Let us pray, and may the unity of our vision make saints of us all."</p>
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<span style="display: block; color: black; font-size: 14px; text-align: center;">by Andrew Nathenson</span>
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== Summary ==
== Summary ==
"If you were funny today, you cannot die by exile."
"If you die by execution, your team loses."


The Deviant can avoid being Exiled - as long as the Deviant player has been amusing today.
The Saint ends the game if they are executed.
* The Deviant can amuse the group in any way they choose. Generally, verbal means such as jokes, funny stories, or witty remarks will suffice.
* If the Saint dies by execution, the game ends. Good loses and evil wins.
* The Storyteller is the judge of whether the Deviant was funny or not.
* If the Saint dies in any way other than execution—such as the Demon killing them—then the game continues.
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== How to Run ==
== How to Run ==
If the Saint dies by execution, declare that the game ends and evil wins.


If the Deviant would be exiled, you may declare that the Deviant
The Saint's ability has the strange phrase "your team loses." In Trouble Brewing, this will always mean "evil wins" because the Saint is always good. In other editions, it is possible for characters to change alignment. If the evil Saint is executed, good wins.
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It is best to be forgiving and treat even a slightly funny Deviant as funny. It can be tough to be funny when one is expected to be, after all.
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If the player would prefer, you may determine different criteria for whether the Deviant is exiled. If being “funny” is difficult, you may reward the Deviant who “creates a positive mood” or “is helpful to others” instead. The Deviant is not a serious character, and it is meant to encourage laughter, lightheartedness, and fun, so adjust the Deviant rules to your players’ needs and talents.
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The evil Deviant cracks a few jokes, and gets a few laughs, but the players nevertheless decide to exile them. Even though there are enough votes, the Storyteller decides to keep the Deviant alive.  
There are seven players alive and nominations are in progress. The Saint gets four votes and is about to die. Then, the {{Evil|Baron}} is nominated but only gets three votes. No more nominations occur today. The Saint is executed, and evil wins.
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The {{Evil|Imp}} is nominated, and the players vote. The {{Traveler|Gunslinger}} kills the Saint. The Saint dies, and the game continues.
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On the third day, the Deviant was slightly funny, and cannot be exiled. On the fourth day, the Deviant was not very funny, and is successfully exiled.
The Saint is executed. However, the {{Traveler|Scapegoat}}'s ability is triggered, so the {{Traveler|Scapegoat}} dies instead. The game continues, because the Saint did not die.
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== Tips & Tricks (if you are good) ==
== Tips & Tricks ==


* Oh man. If you are hoping that this wiki entry will teach you how to be funny, you are in trouble. See if you can get a giggle. Do your best, and use your words to lighten the mood - even setting a good vibe might be enough to avoid dying. Above all, relax, be yourself, and be ok with not being funny, should it pan out that way. Sometimes we all fall flat. Good luck :)
* Do not get executed.


* If you are the Deviant, but find it too much of a challenge to be funny on call, talk to the Storyteller. Together, you may determine different criteria for whether the Deviant is exiled. Instead of “being funny”, you could “create a positive mood” or “be helpful to others” instead. The Deviant is not a serious character, and its purpose is to provide an avenue for laughter, lightheartedness, and fun, so talk to the Storyteller about adjusting the Deviant criteria to your needs and talents.  
* No, really. Don't. If you die by execution, the game ends, and your whole team loses. Make sure the good team knows you are the Saint! Tell it in the streets! Tell it from the rooftops! Tell it to everybody! You must be believed to be a good player, or it's curtains. If you have been nominated, cry black and blue that you are the Saint, loudly and publicly... the fate of the game depends on it.


* Some personal favorite comedy routines for people in need of inspiration:  [https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=steven+wright Steve Wright], [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJdzoY-Wsc8 Larry Miller], and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0E9QYW1w8rg Jonathan Burns].
* To help prove that you are good, you can arrange for other good players to confirm your identity. Kill players sitting between you and an {{Good|Empath}} so that the {{Good|Empath}} learns your alignment. Convince the {{Good|Fortune Teller}} to select you at night to prove you are not the Demon. Find a {{Good|Ravenkeeper}} and get them to agree to choose you so they learn who you are. Get a {{Good|Slayer}} to attempt to slay you.The Demon will usually not want to kill you at night, so the question of who you really are will be asked by the group at some stage, and having some players back you up could be crucial.
 
* Alternatively, either stay silent, or bluff as a juicy target for the Demon to attack, such as the {{Good|Slayer}} or the {{Good|Monk}}. If you die at night, then you remove the possibility of being executed accidentally by the good team. It's only executions that count for your ability.
 
* Find out which other Outsiders are in play. If there are supposed to be two Outsiders in the game, and the only Outsiders to come out publicly are you and the {{Good|Recluse}}, for example, then even though you both look inherently suspicious, there are supposed to be two Outsiders in play, so the good team may believe that you are good for this reason alone. If you're the only one, so much the better! It must be you and a {{Good|Drunk}}.
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== Tips & Tricks (if you are evil) ==


* Oh man. If you are hoping that this wiki entry will teach you how to be funny, you are in trouble. See if you can get a giggle. Do your best, and use your words to lighten the mood - even setting a good vibe might be enough to avoid dying. Above all, relax, be yourself, and be ok with not being funny, should it pan out that way. Sometimes we all fall flat. Good luck :)
== Bluffing as the Saint ==
 
When bluffing as the Saint, there are a few things you should keep in mind:
 
* You would never wake, learn anything, or act during the day, except on your execution, at which point the game is already over.
 
* Because of the Saint's lose condition, it is easily one of the best evil bluffs in the game. It is such a risk to execute you that the good team will usually err on the side of caution and leave you alone. This does not mean that it is bulletproof; on the final day, you're at the same risk as everyone else (since if they don't execute the Demon, they lose anyway). You'll also come under a reasonable amount of scrutiny as the game progresses.
 
* Saint is often an excellent bluff for the {{Evil|Poisoner}} in particular. Even if the good team truly believe you to be evil, perhaps with information from all three of the {{Good|Investigator}}, {{Good|Empath}}, and {{Good|Ravenkeeper}}, the good team may still be too scared to execute you before the final day, by when you've already done all the damage you need to. You can then either get executed and win for the evil team, or if you think the good team know you're not the Demon, have the {{Evil|Imp}} attack themself in the night and make you the new Demon.
 
* If you are the {{Evil|Imp}}, you know that your execution causes your team to lose if there's no {{Evil|Scarlet Woman}} in the game. Because of that, if you're slated to be executed and try desperately to save yourself, the good team may correctly interpret that as a Demon trying to save themselves, at least long enough to kill themself and pass on the responsibilities to a Minion. That is severely limited by the Saint bluff, however - they may read that you want to avoid execution to stop your team from losing, but not know which team that is.
 
* Bluffing as the Saint in a game with no {{Evil|Baron}} can be tricky since you will likely be conflicting with other Outsiders. Fortunately, your lose condition makes you a larger threat to execute over a {{Good|Butler}} or {{Good|Recluse}}; use this to your advantage to leverage the execution of a good player.
 
* You may be detected as evil at some point during the game. A great counter-argument is that because you are the Saint, you are being targeted by the Storyteller. For example, you could say you are the {{Good|Fortune Teller}}'s false positive, or that an {{Good|Empath}} getting an evil read on you is actually {{Good|Drunk}}.
 
* Good players benefit from bluffing as the Saint as well! Demons are unlikely to target a Saint since they would much rather they be executed. Using this to your advantage can allow you to survive a few days longer as an {{Good|Empath}} or {{Good|Fortune Teller}}.
 
* If you are executed, it will become immediately obvious you are not the Saint when the game doesn't end. Be prepared to have a back up bluff, such as the {{Good|Recluse}}, or a powerful Townsfolk who didn't want to die (like the {{Good|Undertaker}} or {{Good|Slayer}}).
 
* Beware of {{Good|Slayer}}(s)! The Saint is usually a very powerful bluff to keep yourself safe from execution, but if a {{Good|Slayer}} is in play, they will very likely want to test you, and would not trigger the Saint's lose condition using their ability. One good way to circumvent this is to have a Minion bluff as the Saint, get slayed, and then have the {{Evil|Imp}} pass the Demonhood to them after that.
 
* If you get nominated, drop any previous bluff and come out as the Saint. Claim that your previous information and character were a ploy to attempt to get the Demon to target you. This will usually give the good team significant pause.


* If you are the Deviant, but find it too much of a challenge to be funny on call, talk to the Storyteller. Together, you may determine different criteria for whether the Deviant is exiled. Instead of “being funny”, you could “create a positive mood” or “be helpful to others” instead. The Deviant is not a serious character, and its purpose is to provide an avenue for laughter, lightheartedness, and fun, so talk to the Storyteller about adjusting the Deviant criteria to your needs and talents.  
* Don't be afraid to claim to be the Saint, even if there's already one in play. The good team can usually resolve cases of two players claiming to be the same character by executing them both in either order, but this is not possible to do with the Saint.


* Some personal favorite comedy routines for people in need of inspiration: [https://www.seanbaby.com Sean Baby], [https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=billy+connolly Billy Connolly], and [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uw8dW9Hyno0 Rowan Atkinson].
* Claiming to be an Outsider can obfuscate the presence of the {{Good|Drunk}}, or cause the good team to think that a {{Evil|Baron}} is in play.


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Type Outsider
Artist Aidan Roberts

"Wisdom begets peace. Patience begets wisdom. Fear not, for the time shall come when fear too shall pass. Let us pray, and may the unity of our vision make saints of us all."

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Cult of the Clocktower Episode by Andrew Nathenson

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Summary

"If you die by execution, your team loses."

The Saint ends the game if they are executed.

  • If the Saint dies by execution, the game ends. Good loses and evil wins.
  • If the Saint dies in any way other than execution—such as the Demon killing them—then the game continues.

How to Run

If the Saint dies by execution, declare that the game ends and evil wins.

The Saint's ability has the strange phrase "your team loses." In Trouble Brewing, this will always mean "evil wins" because the Saint is always good. In other editions, it is possible for characters to change alignment. If the evil Saint is executed, good wins.

Examples

There are seven players alive and nominations are in progress. The Saint gets four votes and is about to die. Then, the Baron is nominated but only gets three votes. No more nominations occur today. The Saint is executed, and evil wins.

The Imp is nominated, and the players vote. The Gunslinger kills the Saint. The Saint dies, and the game continues.

The Saint is executed. However, the Scapegoat's ability is triggered, so the Scapegoat dies instead. The game continues, because the Saint did not die.

Tips & Tricks

  • Do not get executed.
  • No, really. Don't. If you die by execution, the game ends, and your whole team loses. Make sure the good team knows you are the Saint! Tell it in the streets! Tell it from the rooftops! Tell it to everybody! You must be believed to be a good player, or it's curtains. If you have been nominated, cry black and blue that you are the Saint, loudly and publicly... the fate of the game depends on it.
  • To help prove that you are good, you can arrange for other good players to confirm your identity. Kill players sitting between you and an Empath so that the Empath learns your alignment. Convince the Fortune Teller to select you at night to prove you are not the Demon. Find a Ravenkeeper and get them to agree to choose you so they learn who you are. Get a Slayer to attempt to slay you.The Demon will usually not want to kill you at night, so the question of who you really are will be asked by the group at some stage, and having some players back you up could be crucial.
  • Alternatively, either stay silent, or bluff as a juicy target for the Demon to attack, such as the Slayer or the Monk. If you die at night, then you remove the possibility of being executed accidentally by the good team. It's only executions that count for your ability.
  • Find out which other Outsiders are in play. If there are supposed to be two Outsiders in the game, and the only Outsiders to come out publicly are you and the Recluse, for example, then even though you both look inherently suspicious, there are supposed to be two Outsiders in play, so the good team may believe that you are good for this reason alone. If you're the only one, so much the better! It must be you and a Drunk.

Bluffing as the Saint

When bluffing as the Saint, there are a few things you should keep in mind:

  • You would never wake, learn anything, or act during the day, except on your execution, at which point the game is already over.
  • Because of the Saint's lose condition, it is easily one of the best evil bluffs in the game. It is such a risk to execute you that the good team will usually err on the side of caution and leave you alone. This does not mean that it is bulletproof; on the final day, you're at the same risk as everyone else (since if they don't execute the Demon, they lose anyway). You'll also come under a reasonable amount of scrutiny as the game progresses.
  • Saint is often an excellent bluff for the Poisoner in particular. Even if the good team truly believe you to be evil, perhaps with information from all three of the Investigator, Empath, and Ravenkeeper, the good team may still be too scared to execute you before the final day, by when you've already done all the damage you need to. You can then either get executed and win for the evil team, or if you think the good team know you're not the Demon, have the Imp attack themself in the night and make you the new Demon.
  • If you are the Imp, you know that your execution causes your team to lose if there's no Scarlet Woman in the game. Because of that, if you're slated to be executed and try desperately to save yourself, the good team may correctly interpret that as a Demon trying to save themselves, at least long enough to kill themself and pass on the responsibilities to a Minion. That is severely limited by the Saint bluff, however - they may read that you want to avoid execution to stop your team from losing, but not know which team that is.
  • Bluffing as the Saint in a game with no Baron can be tricky since you will likely be conflicting with other Outsiders. Fortunately, your lose condition makes you a larger threat to execute over a Butler or Recluse; use this to your advantage to leverage the execution of a good player.
  • You may be detected as evil at some point during the game. A great counter-argument is that because you are the Saint, you are being targeted by the Storyteller. For example, you could say you are the Fortune Teller's false positive, or that an Empath getting an evil read on you is actually Drunk.
  • Good players benefit from bluffing as the Saint as well! Demons are unlikely to target a Saint since they would much rather they be executed. Using this to your advantage can allow you to survive a few days longer as an Empath or Fortune Teller.
  • If you are executed, it will become immediately obvious you are not the Saint when the game doesn't end. Be prepared to have a back up bluff, such as the Recluse, or a powerful Townsfolk who didn't want to die (like the Undertaker or Slayer).
  • Beware of Slayer(s)! The Saint is usually a very powerful bluff to keep yourself safe from execution, but if a Slayer is in play, they will very likely want to test you, and would not trigger the Saint's lose condition using their ability. One good way to circumvent this is to have a Minion bluff as the Saint, get slayed, and then have the Imp pass the Demonhood to them after that.
  • If you get nominated, drop any previous bluff and come out as the Saint. Claim that your previous information and character were a ploy to attempt to get the Demon to target you. This will usually give the good team significant pause.
  • Don't be afraid to claim to be the Saint, even if there's already one in play. The good team can usually resolve cases of two players claiming to be the same character by executing them both in either order, but this is not possible to do with the Saint.
  • Claiming to be an Outsider can obfuscate the presence of the Drunk, or cause the good team to think that a Baron is in play.