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<td>[[Character Types#Townsfolk|Townsfolk]]</td>
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<td>Chloe McDougall</td>
<td>Anica Kelsen</td>
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<td>Revealed</td>
<td>07/04/2020</td>
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<p class='flavour'>"When a man lies, he murders some part of the world."</p>
<p class='flavour'>"This was my favourite part of the river... see how the sunlight makes a rainbow from the monastery to the market? This was the best place for big fish. And the older I get, the bigger they were."</p>
 
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== Summary ==
== Summary ==
"You start knowing 2 players that are not the Demon."
"Once per game, during the day, visit the Storyteller for some advice to help your team win."


The Knight knows players that are not the Demon.
The Fisherman knows something that nobody else can know - what should be done.
* On the first night, the Knight learns two players who are not the Demon.
* On subsequent nights, they learn nothing more.
* The Knight can learn Townsfolk, Outsiders or even Minions but does not learn which character type they are.
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== How to Run ==
== How to Run ==
At any time during the day, the Fisherman can approach the Storyteller privately for some advice to help them win. The Storyteller’s pieces of advice are not “facts”. They are strategy tips that the Storyteller believes will help the Fisherman win if they are followed.


During setup, mark two non-Demon players with the Knight’s “Know” reminders.
Generally, Fisherman advice should be able to be structured as “you should” or “you should not”. It doesn’t need to explicitly include those words but should always follow that concept of suggestions that can be followed, rather than information about what is like a Savant would get. So “kill player X” or “find out who is the Drunk” or “you should rethink which info you’re trusting” or “trust player Y” are all great Fisherman advice, for example.
During the first night, wake the Knight. Point to the two players marked “Know”.
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Lewis is the {{Good|Undertaker}}, Doug is the {{Evil|Imp}} and Ben is the {{Good|Fortune Teller}}. The Knight learns Lewis and Ben.
The Fisherman goes up to the Storyteller, and they are told "not to trust Ben", this is not because Ben is evil, but because his drunk information is leading the good team astray.
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On the third day, the Fisherman learns “Keep the players claiming to be Outsiders alive”. These players are secretly the {{Good|Klutz}} and the {{Evil|Fearmonger}}. The Storyteller believes that keeping these players alive is more likely to end up with good executing the Demon.
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It is the third day, and the Fisherman visits the Storyteller to ask for advice. They are told to “Execute Jeremy” because Jeremy is the {{Good|Drunk}}, and the {{Good|Undertaker}} would discover this if they were executed.
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Marianna is the {{Evil|Vortox}} and Abdallah is the {{Good|Alchemist}}. The Knight learns Marianna and Abdallah. The Knight must learn Marianna and Abdallah because the Knight's information must be false due to the {{Evil|Vortox}} ability and therefore include the Demon.
It is the last day, and the Fisherman visits the Storyteller to ask for advice. They are told “Don’t ask Kevin too many questions” because Kevin is the {{Good|Mutant}}, and his power activating would lose the game for good.
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== Tips & Tricks ==
== Tips & Tricks ==


* You know the two players you learnt aren’t the Demon. If both of them survive to the final three, you know two players that aren’t the Demon and therefore know who the Demon is and can win the game with your information!
* Ask yourself why you got the advice you got. Even if it’s something you didn’t expect, or that sends you down a totally different path than the one you were following, remember that the Storyteller knows all. They are in the best position to give you advice that will help you win.
 
* Follow the advice. The Fisherman does not provide information, it provides advice to help you win. If the advice is "execute your clockwise neighbour", just do it. Follow your advice! Unless you think your information is suspect, your advice isn’t very useful if you don’t act on it, especially because it is given in the temporal context you ask for it. Executing Erik might not be a good idea in 2 days, so canvas for his execution as soon as possible.
 
* After following your advice, try to evaluate where you are now in the game, and try to reverse-engineer why that advice may have been given. Who was featured as important in your advice? Why? What advantages might have come from following your advice? What does that say about the puzzle of the game?


* Hide what you learnt from the town - the Demon is going to actively want to kill the players you saw to avoid getting found out on the final day, so not telling people who you learnt means the Demon doesn’t know who to kill.
* Use your ability immediately. Don’t risk dying to the Demon or getting executed before you can receive your advice. Ask for advice as soon as you can on the first day! After all, you risk losing your advice every day that you do not use it. Using it right away negates this risk. There is still plenty of good advice the storyteller can give you on day 1, depending on the setup.


* Conceal your information and try to make the two players you saw just suspicious enough that they might be Demon candidates, but not suspicious enough that they get executed. This gives them the best odds of surviving to the final day.
* Hold off on using your ability for as long as possible. This is risky, but the longer you wait the more the storyteller will be able to give you the exact type of advice you need to win. Plus, the storyteller may be more inclined to reward your risky behaviour with some juicy advice if you brave death for many days.


* Come out with your information as early as possible to try to convince the good team to trust the players you know. Statistically they’re most likely to be good players too and can benefit from that trust and if they’re not good, they’re Minions, so it’s not the worst thing to give them a little undeserved trust.
* Pay attention to character abilities that might affect the chances of you dying, and factor that into when you use your ability. If there is a {{Evil|Leviathan}} on the script, the Demon can’t kill you. If you believe a player is the {{Good|Monk}}, you can ask them to protect you. In both cases, you have a higher chance of surviving later into the game, and could hold off on getting your advice until later on that basis.


* Hunt for sources of drunk or poison – you need to know if your information is true! If you suspect you were made drunk or poisoned on the first night, you probably want to kill both players that you saw as they’re more likely to be the Demon. Finding out you were drunk or poisoned can therefore win the game.
* Pay attention to the specific words that the Storyteller uses. If something seems a bit ambiguous, they may be hinting at something without outright saying it. If the Storyteller tells you not to trust a player, that player might actually be a good {{Good|Empath}}, but one who has been poisoned by a {{Evil|Widow}}, and is providing false information that is leading the good team to their doom. Be especially careful when interpreting the advice given to you by your storyteller. “Kevin is sharing true information” does not necessarily mean Kevin is good, and “Execute Erik” does not necessarily mean Erik is evil. The advice may be specifically niche to whatever game you’re in, and storytellers do love being coy.


* Only reveal the players you learnt when they are nominated, to help keep them from being executed. This keeps the information from the Demon as long as you can, without hindering your ability to keep those players alive.
* Watch out for win/lose conditions and character abilities on a script. The advice you receive might relate to one. A Fisherman's advice might, for example, be an attempt by the Storyteller to prevent you from executing a {{Evil|Goblin}}.


* Agree with one of the players you learnt to swap character claims and information. You are happy to die to get the players you know aren’t the Demon to the final day, so if the Knight information is shared that you yourself are confirmed not the Demon, the Demon will be incentivised to kill you rather than the players you learnt.
* Visit the Storyteller, then come back and pretend you’ve used your Fisherman ability when you haven’t. Make the evil team think your power is no longer a threat. If the Demon believes you’ve already used your ability, they might not think it’s worth it to kill you, allowing you to survive and use it later in the game.


* Name players that you didn’t learn as your public “information” early in the game. If they don’t die at night, either the Demon didn’t believe you were the Knight (possibly because one of those two players is in fact the Demon!) or they had higher priorities for killing throughout the game, both of which gives you good social information.
* Think about who you want to trust with your advice. You might simply want to reveal it immediately and put the clue on the table for everyone to digest. Alternatively, you might want to share the hint with a trusted group of players who can use it to coordinate in secret.


* Claim another good character, such as the {{Good|Fortune Teller}} or {{Good|Washerwoman}} that can clear one or both of the players you saw, so that you aren’t forced to reveal your Knight information too early.
* If you’re not certain that you’re remembered the advice right, you can revisit the Storyteller and ask them to repeat it. However, be aware that the Storyteller likely cannot provide context, or significant clarifications.


* You don’t need the players you learnt to reveal their characters or information to you, you know they’re not the Demon and can at least trust them that far. It may be the best play for them not to reveal for as long as possible on the basis of the trust inspired by your information naming them.
* Characters that register as different alignments or characters may affect the hint given to the Fisherman. For example, a {{Evil|Recluse}} may register as the Demon, prompting the Storyteller to advise you to execute them. Be aware of this possibility.
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== Bluffing as the Fisherman ==
When bluffing as the Fisherman, there are a few things you should keep in mind:
* The Fisherman can be guided to do essentially anything in the game. Use this to your advantage when you are bluffing - giving advice that complements the narrative the evil team is trying to build against the good team.
* The fake advice you pretend to receive from the Storyteller, which you will have to come up with yourself, will probably be the centrepiece of your bluff. The Fisherman’s ability is a powerful one - what you come up with could be the deciding factor that wins or loses you the game. Remember to couch your ‘advice’ in the voice of your storyteller. If your storyteller likes to tell Fishermen who to execute, that makes it a much more believable bluff when you claim the Storyteller told you to execute someone.
* Keep in mind that the Storyteller is meant to give the Fisherman a hint about what to do, not a piece of information. A Storyteller is very unlikely to give information like ‘one of your two neighbours is Demon’ – that’s not advice. Make sure you frame your fake advice as advice that tells you to do something, like ‘execute your neighbours’.


== Bluffing as the Knight ==
* Insist on your fake advice. It’s not much good to tell the group what to do with your fake ability if you don’t follow through on the social end. Remind players that your advice may have an expiration date, and that it’s important they follow your lead now, not later!


* Claim your Demon is part of your Knight information. It’s obvious and straightforward but it can just work – clearing your Demon of being the Demon can win games.
* Give fake advice that protects an evil player. Use it to convince the town not to execute your Demon, or another powerful evil role.


* Claim two good players as your information. Both of those good players know they’re not the Demon, so are inclined to believe that your information is true at least for them, so they’re more inclined to trust you.
* Give fake advice that incriminates a good player. Use it to cast suspicions over the information of an {{Good|Undertaker}}, or a {{Good|Fortune Teller}}, or to get a {{Good|Saint}} executed.


* Claim two good players as your information and then spend the rest of the game trying hard to look like a Minion – this will frame the two good players you named as potential Demon candidates being “cleared” by a suspected Minion.
* If your advice doesn’t lead to good results (which is to be expected, you are making it up), consider the possibility of twisting your advice’s interpretation for more mayhem.


* Claim one good player and one evil player as your information to sow trust between those players, giving your evil teammate a good basis to work from when spreading their misinformation.
* If you think you’re under suspicion, provide advice that incriminates an evil player. If the town thinks you’re evil, they may be more likely to trust that other player, brushing off your advice as an attempt to go after a good character.


* Just as a real Knight might, hide your “information” until the late game and then reveal it to derail theorycrafting up to the point.
* If you think you’re under suspicion, provide advice that supports a good player. If the town thinks you’re evil, they may be more likely to mistrust or go after that player.


* The Knight is a great backup bluff – if your Demon is nominated and might get enough votes, discard whatever you were bluffing previously, come out as the Knight and tell everyone loud and clear that this player is not the Demon.
* Make your hint interesting, vague and weird. Come up with something that generates a ton of discussion, generating distraction and conflict that distracts the good team from their efforts to find the Demon.


* The Knight is a great initial bluff for good players too - claim Knight and pick two random players. This will allow you to hide what character you really are, with the added benefits that you’ll likely survive a little while and not get questioned much until mid-late game. Even if you accidentally name the Demon as one of your two players, as long as you recant this claim by the late game it usually doesn’t do too much harm to the good team.
* Don’t make your hint too elaborate. Try and stick to a single idea that can be expressed in one or two sentences, rather than a paragraph that might draw suspicion.


* If you’re the Demon bluffing as the Knight, kill the players you’re claiming as your information. This makes you look good as the “Demon believed you were the Knight and killed the players they couldn’t afford to have in the final three with them.
* Coming out early with a Fisherman bluff can be risky. If the town believes you’ve used your once per game ability, they might decide to execute you on the basis that the potential downsides are minimal. This becomes especially fraught when characters like the Vortox are on the script, and the good team believe they might lose if they don’t execute someone.


* Think carefully about when to reveal that you’re the Knight and when to reveal the information you learnt as the Knight – they aren’t necessarily the same timing and can have different impacts. Claiming you’re the Knight early can give you a little social trust, but you can hold on and not claim any actual information until you know what’s going to help your team most towards the end of the game.
* Claim Fisherman late in the game. It can be a great back-up bluff to cover your tracks if your initial bluff doesn’t work. You can claim that you were misleading the town to avoid being targeted by the Demon, allowing you to preserve your ability for use later in the game.


* Make sure you visit the Storyteller at least once before you reveal your fake hint. Nothing is worse than revealing your hint, only to be proven a liar when someone reveals you’ve never been to the Storyteller.
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Icon fisherman.png Information

Type Townsfolk
Artist Anica Kelsen
Revealed 07/04/2020

"This was my favourite part of the river... see how the sunlight makes a rainbow from the monastery to the market? This was the best place for big fish. And the older I get, the bigger they were."

Summary

"Once per game, during the day, visit the Storyteller for some advice to help your team win."

The Fisherman knows something that nobody else can know - what should be done.

How to Run

At any time during the day, the Fisherman can approach the Storyteller privately for some advice to help them win. The Storyteller’s pieces of advice are not “facts”. They are strategy tips that the Storyteller believes will help the Fisherman win if they are followed.

Generally, Fisherman advice should be able to be structured as “you should” or “you should not”. It doesn’t need to explicitly include those words but should always follow that concept of suggestions that can be followed, rather than information about what is like a Savant would get. So “kill player X” or “find out who is the Drunk” or “you should rethink which info you’re trusting” or “trust player Y” are all great Fisherman advice, for example.

Examples

The Fisherman goes up to the Storyteller, and they are told "not to trust Ben", this is not because Ben is evil, but because his drunk information is leading the good team astray.

On the third day, the Fisherman learns “Keep the players claiming to be Outsiders alive”. These players are secretly the Klutz and the Fearmonger. The Storyteller believes that keeping these players alive is more likely to end up with good executing the Demon.

It is the third day, and the Fisherman visits the Storyteller to ask for advice. They are told to “Execute Jeremy” because Jeremy is the Drunk, and the Undertaker would discover this if they were executed.

It is the last day, and the Fisherman visits the Storyteller to ask for advice. They are told “Don’t ask Kevin too many questions” because Kevin is the Mutant, and his power activating would lose the game for good.

Tips & Tricks

  • Ask yourself why you got the advice you got. Even if it’s something you didn’t expect, or that sends you down a totally different path than the one you were following, remember that the Storyteller knows all. They are in the best position to give you advice that will help you win.
  • Follow the advice. The Fisherman does not provide information, it provides advice to help you win. If the advice is "execute your clockwise neighbour", just do it. Follow your advice! Unless you think your information is suspect, your advice isn’t very useful if you don’t act on it, especially because it is given in the temporal context you ask for it. Executing Erik might not be a good idea in 2 days, so canvas for his execution as soon as possible.
  • After following your advice, try to evaluate where you are now in the game, and try to reverse-engineer why that advice may have been given. Who was featured as important in your advice? Why? What advantages might have come from following your advice? What does that say about the puzzle of the game?
  • Use your ability immediately. Don’t risk dying to the Demon or getting executed before you can receive your advice. Ask for advice as soon as you can on the first day! After all, you risk losing your advice every day that you do not use it. Using it right away negates this risk. There is still plenty of good advice the storyteller can give you on day 1, depending on the setup.
  • Hold off on using your ability for as long as possible. This is risky, but the longer you wait the more the storyteller will be able to give you the exact type of advice you need to win. Plus, the storyteller may be more inclined to reward your risky behaviour with some juicy advice if you brave death for many days.
  • Pay attention to character abilities that might affect the chances of you dying, and factor that into when you use your ability. If there is a Leviathan on the script, the Demon can’t kill you. If you believe a player is the Monk, you can ask them to protect you. In both cases, you have a higher chance of surviving later into the game, and could hold off on getting your advice until later on that basis.
  • Pay attention to the specific words that the Storyteller uses. If something seems a bit ambiguous, they may be hinting at something without outright saying it. If the Storyteller tells you not to trust a player, that player might actually be a good Empath, but one who has been poisoned by a Widow, and is providing false information that is leading the good team to their doom. Be especially careful when interpreting the advice given to you by your storyteller. “Kevin is sharing true information” does not necessarily mean Kevin is good, and “Execute Erik” does not necessarily mean Erik is evil. The advice may be specifically niche to whatever game you’re in, and storytellers do love being coy.
  • Watch out for win/lose conditions and character abilities on a script. The advice you receive might relate to one. A Fisherman's advice might, for example, be an attempt by the Storyteller to prevent you from executing a Goblin.
  • Visit the Storyteller, then come back and pretend you’ve used your Fisherman ability when you haven’t. Make the evil team think your power is no longer a threat. If the Demon believes you’ve already used your ability, they might not think it’s worth it to kill you, allowing you to survive and use it later in the game.
  • Think about who you want to trust with your advice. You might simply want to reveal it immediately and put the clue on the table for everyone to digest. Alternatively, you might want to share the hint with a trusted group of players who can use it to coordinate in secret.
  • If you’re not certain that you’re remembered the advice right, you can revisit the Storyteller and ask them to repeat it. However, be aware that the Storyteller likely cannot provide context, or significant clarifications.
  • Characters that register as different alignments or characters may affect the hint given to the Fisherman. For example, a Recluse may register as the Demon, prompting the Storyteller to advise you to execute them. Be aware of this possibility.

Bluffing as the Fisherman

When bluffing as the Fisherman, there are a few things you should keep in mind:

  • The Fisherman can be guided to do essentially anything in the game. Use this to your advantage when you are bluffing - giving advice that complements the narrative the evil team is trying to build against the good team.
  • The fake advice you pretend to receive from the Storyteller, which you will have to come up with yourself, will probably be the centrepiece of your bluff. The Fisherman’s ability is a powerful one - what you come up with could be the deciding factor that wins or loses you the game. Remember to couch your ‘advice’ in the voice of your storyteller. If your storyteller likes to tell Fishermen who to execute, that makes it a much more believable bluff when you claim the Storyteller told you to execute someone.
  • Keep in mind that the Storyteller is meant to give the Fisherman a hint about what to do, not a piece of information. A Storyteller is very unlikely to give information like ‘one of your two neighbours is Demon’ – that’s not advice. Make sure you frame your fake advice as advice that tells you to do something, like ‘execute your neighbours’.
  • Insist on your fake advice. It’s not much good to tell the group what to do with your fake ability if you don’t follow through on the social end. Remind players that your advice may have an expiration date, and that it’s important they follow your lead now, not later!
  • Give fake advice that protects an evil player. Use it to convince the town not to execute your Demon, or another powerful evil role.
  • Give fake advice that incriminates a good player. Use it to cast suspicions over the information of an Undertaker, or a Fortune Teller, or to get a Saint executed.
  • If your advice doesn’t lead to good results (which is to be expected, you are making it up), consider the possibility of twisting your advice’s interpretation for more mayhem.
  • If you think you’re under suspicion, provide advice that incriminates an evil player. If the town thinks you’re evil, they may be more likely to trust that other player, brushing off your advice as an attempt to go after a good character.
  • If you think you’re under suspicion, provide advice that supports a good player. If the town thinks you’re evil, they may be more likely to mistrust or go after that player.
  • Make your hint interesting, vague and weird. Come up with something that generates a ton of discussion, generating distraction and conflict that distracts the good team from their efforts to find the Demon.
  • Don’t make your hint too elaborate. Try and stick to a single idea that can be expressed in one or two sentences, rather than a paragraph that might draw suspicion.
  • Coming out early with a Fisherman bluff can be risky. If the town believes you’ve used your once per game ability, they might decide to execute you on the basis that the potential downsides are minimal. This becomes especially fraught when characters like the Vortox are on the script, and the good team believe they might lose if they don’t execute someone.
  • Claim Fisherman late in the game. It can be a great back-up bluff to cover your tracks if your initial bluff doesn’t work. You can claim that you were misleading the town to avoid being targeted by the Demon, allowing you to preserve your ability for use later in the game.
  • Make sure you visit the Storyteller at least once before you reveal your fake hint. Nothing is worse than revealing your hint, only to be proven a liar when someone reveals you’ve never been to the Storyteller.