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Administrator: /* Thank Heavens, I'm Good! Now What? */

2024-06-02T22:09:04Z

Thank Heavens, I'm Good! Now What?

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	* '''Finding out who is ''not'' the Demon is just as important as who IS the Demon'''. It would be a short and unpleasant game for the evil team if the good team could figure out who the Demon was quickly and easily each game. The game is designed so that information comes into the game gradually, and much of the information is directed at learning who is good. This is good news! If you can figure out who is good, you know who ''not'' to kill! Keeping players you trust alive is just as effective as killing players you believe are evil. Once all living players (except one) are trustworthy, you have (hopefully!) found the Demon.		* '''Finding out who is ''not'' the Demon is just as important as who IS the Demon'''. It would be a short and unpleasant game for the evil team if the good team could figure out who the Demon was quickly and easily each game. The game is designed so that information comes into the game gradually, and much of the information is directed at learning who is good. This is good news! If you can figure out who is good, you know who ''not'' to kill! Keeping players you trust alive is just as effective as killing players you believe are evil. Once all living players (except one) are trustworthy, you have (hopefully!) found the Demon.

	* '''Use single-chain logic whenever you can'''. This means to "follow the chain of information to its logical conclusion". When doing this, assume that [[States#~~Poisoned/Drunk~~\|Drunkenness]] or [[States#~~Poisoned/Drunk~~\|Poisoning]] are not a factor. Ignore them, assume that one particular player is telling the truth, and see where you arrive at logically from that point onward. If you arrive at sensible conclusions, then the player you assumed was telling the truth, probably was. If you arrive at ridiculous conclusions, then the player you assumed was telling the truth, probably wasn't. Basically, if your conclusion seems correct, your assumption probably is correct too. If your conclusion is obviously incorrect, your assumption must be incorrect too. For example:		* '''Use single-chain logic whenever you can'''. This means to "follow the chain of information to its logical conclusion". When doing this, assume that [[States#Drunkenness_and_Poisoning\|Drunkenness]] or [[States#Drunkenness_and_Poisoning\|Poisoning]] are not a factor. Ignore them, assume that one particular player is telling the truth, and see where you arrive at logically from that point onward. If you arrive at sensible conclusions, then the player you assumed was telling the truth, probably was. If you arrive at ridiculous conclusions, then the player you assumed was telling the truth, probably wasn't. Basically, if your conclusion seems correct, your assumption probably is correct too. If your conclusion is obviously incorrect, your assumption must be incorrect too. For example:
	**The {{Good\|Undertaker}} learns that the last three executed players were the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}, the {{Good\|Investigator}} and the {{Good\|Butler}}. Trusting that the {{Good\|Undertaker}} is telling the truth, you can infer that the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}, {{Good\|Investigator}}, and {{Good\|Butler}} are also telling the truth. Therefore, the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}'s information is correct (which means you can now trust the Townsfolk that they learnt about) and the {{Good\|Investigator}}'s information is correct too. And in this case, the {{Good\|Investigator}} is claiming that they learnt that either the player claiming {{Good\|Butler}}, or the player claiming {{Good\|Saint}} is actually the {{Evil\|Baron}}. Since you trust the {{Good\|Butler}} and the {{Good\|Investigator}} (continuing on the assumption that the {{Good\|Undertaker}} is telling the truth), you now know that the player claiming to be the {{Good\|Saint}} is actually the {{Evil\|Baron}}.		**The {{Good\|Undertaker}} learns that the last three executed players were the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}, the {{Good\|Investigator}} and the {{Good\|Butler}}. Trusting that the {{Good\|Undertaker}} is telling the truth, you can infer that the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}, {{Good\|Investigator}}, and {{Good\|Butler}} are also telling the truth. Therefore, the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}'s information is correct (which means you can now trust the Townsfolk that they learnt about) and the {{Good\|Investigator}}'s information is correct too. And in this case, the {{Good\|Investigator}} is claiming that they learnt that either the player claiming {{Good\|Butler}}, or the player claiming {{Good\|Saint}} is actually the {{Evil\|Baron}}. Since you trust the {{Good\|Butler}} and the {{Good\|Investigator}} (continuing on the assumption that the {{Good\|Undertaker}} is telling the truth), you now know that the player claiming to be the {{Good\|Saint}} is actually the {{Evil\|Baron}}.
	** The {{Good\|Virgin}} is nominated by the player claiming to be the {{Good\|Empath}}, who is executed immediately due to the {{Good\|Virgin}}'s ability. The {{Good\|Empath}} is claiming that both their neighbours are evil. But the {{Good\|Fortune Teller}} is claiming that neither of the {{Good\|Empath}}'s neighbours is the Demon. Since (in this game), there are only two evil players, something is fishy. Starting with the obvious fact that the {{Good\|Virgin}} is who they say they are, you can deduce that the {{Good\|Fortune Teller}} is lying, since the {{Good\|Empath}} is a confirmed Townsfolk.		** The {{Good\|Virgin}} is nominated by the player claiming to be the {{Good\|Empath}}, who is executed immediately due to the {{Good\|Virgin}}'s ability. The {{Good\|Empath}} is claiming that both their neighbours are evil. But the {{Good\|Fortune Teller}} is claiming that neither of the {{Good\|Empath}}'s neighbours is the Demon. Since (in this game), there are only two evil players, something is fishy. Starting with the obvious fact that the {{Good\|Virgin}} is who they say they are, you can deduce that the {{Good\|Fortune Teller}} is lying, since the {{Good\|Empath}} is a confirmed Townsfolk.

Administrator: /* Thank Heavens, I'm Good! Now What? */

2024-06-02T22:08:24Z

Thank Heavens, I'm Good! Now What?

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	* '''Finding out who is ''not'' the Demon is just as important as who IS the Demon'''. It would be a short and unpleasant game for the evil team if the good team could figure out who the Demon was quickly and easily each game. The game is designed so that information comes into the game gradually, and much of the information is directed at learning who is good. This is good news! If you can figure out who is good, you know who ''not'' to kill! Keeping players you trust alive is just as effective as killing players you believe are evil. Once all living players (except one) are trustworthy, you have (hopefully!) found the Demon.		* '''Finding out who is ''not'' the Demon is just as important as who IS the Demon'''. It would be a short and unpleasant game for the evil team if the good team could figure out who the Demon was quickly and easily each game. The game is designed so that information comes into the game gradually, and much of the information is directed at learning who is good. This is good news! If you can figure out who is good, you know who ''not'' to kill! Keeping players you trust alive is just as effective as killing players you believe are evil. Once all living players (except one) are trustworthy, you have (hopefully!) found the Demon.

	* '''Use single-chain logic whenever you can'''. This means to "follow the chain of information to its logical conclusion". When doing this, assume that [[~~Status~~#Poisoned/Drunk\|Drunkenness]] or [[~~Status~~#Poisoned/Drunk\|Poisoning]] are not a factor. Ignore them, assume that one particular player is telling the truth, and see where you arrive at logically from that point onward. If you arrive at sensible conclusions, then the player you assumed was telling the truth, probably was. If you arrive at ridiculous conclusions, then the player you assumed was telling the truth, probably wasn't. Basically, if your conclusion seems correct, your assumption probably is correct too. If your conclusion is obviously incorrect, your assumption must be incorrect too. For example:		* '''Use single-chain logic whenever you can'''. This means to "follow the chain of information to its logical conclusion". When doing this, assume that [[States#Poisoned/Drunk\|Drunkenness]] or [[States#Poisoned/Drunk\|Poisoning]] are not a factor. Ignore them, assume that one particular player is telling the truth, and see where you arrive at logically from that point onward. If you arrive at sensible conclusions, then the player you assumed was telling the truth, probably was. If you arrive at ridiculous conclusions, then the player you assumed was telling the truth, probably wasn't. Basically, if your conclusion seems correct, your assumption probably is correct too. If your conclusion is obviously incorrect, your assumption must be incorrect too. For example:
	**The {{Good\|Undertaker}} learns that the last three executed players were the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}, the {{Good\|Investigator}} and the {{Good\|Butler}}. Trusting that the {{Good\|Undertaker}} is telling the truth, you can infer that the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}, {{Good\|Investigator}}, and {{Good\|Butler}} are also telling the truth. Therefore, the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}'s information is correct (which means you can now trust the Townsfolk that they learnt about) and the {{Good\|Investigator}}'s information is correct too. And in this case, the {{Good\|Investigator}} is claiming that they learnt that either the player claiming {{Good\|Butler}}, or the player claiming {{Good\|Saint}} is actually the {{Evil\|Baron}}. Since you trust the {{Good\|Butler}} and the {{Good\|Investigator}} (continuing on the assumption that the {{Good\|Undertaker}} is telling the truth), you now know that the player claiming to be the {{Good\|Saint}} is actually the {{Evil\|Baron}}.		**The {{Good\|Undertaker}} learns that the last three executed players were the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}, the {{Good\|Investigator}} and the {{Good\|Butler}}. Trusting that the {{Good\|Undertaker}} is telling the truth, you can infer that the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}, {{Good\|Investigator}}, and {{Good\|Butler}} are also telling the truth. Therefore, the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}'s information is correct (which means you can now trust the Townsfolk that they learnt about) and the {{Good\|Investigator}}'s information is correct too. And in this case, the {{Good\|Investigator}} is claiming that they learnt that either the player claiming {{Good\|Butler}}, or the player claiming {{Good\|Saint}} is actually the {{Evil\|Baron}}. Since you trust the {{Good\|Butler}} and the {{Good\|Investigator}} (continuing on the assumption that the {{Good\|Undertaker}} is telling the truth), you now know that the player claiming to be the {{Good\|Saint}} is actually the {{Evil\|Baron}}.
	** The {{Good\|Virgin}} is nominated by the player claiming to be the {{Good\|Empath}}, who is executed immediately due to the {{Good\|Virgin}}'s ability. The {{Good\|Empath}} is claiming that both their neighbours are evil. But the {{Good\|Fortune Teller}} is claiming that neither of the {{Good\|Empath}}'s neighbours is the Demon. Since (in this game), there are only two evil players, something is fishy. Starting with the obvious fact that the {{Good\|Virgin}} is who they say they are, you can deduce that the {{Good\|Fortune Teller}} is lying, since the {{Good\|Empath}} is a confirmed Townsfolk.		** The {{Good\|Virgin}} is nominated by the player claiming to be the {{Good\|Empath}}, who is executed immediately due to the {{Good\|Virgin}}'s ability. The {{Good\|Empath}} is claiming that both their neighbours are evil. But the {{Good\|Fortune Teller}} is claiming that neither of the {{Good\|Empath}}'s neighbours is the Demon. Since (in this game), there are only two evil players, something is fishy. Starting with the obvious fact that the {{Good\|Virgin}} is who they say they are, you can deduce that the {{Good\|Fortune Teller}} is lying, since the {{Good\|Empath}} is a confirmed Townsfolk.

Administrator: /* Goddammit, I'm an Outsider! Now What? */

2024-01-02T12:45:19Z

Goddammit, I'm an Outsider! Now What?

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	* '''Information that you receive will be more vague and based more on intuition than deduction''' - but there are still useful points to be gained if you are crafty and observant. For example, if you are the {{Good\|Saint}}, pay particular attention to players especially enthusiastic about executing you - they are probably evil. If you are the {{Good\|Butler}}, pay attention to when your master votes - if they know you are their {{Good\|Butler}}, they will usually vote so that you vote too. If you are the {{Good\|Drunk}}, and you can figure out that you are the {{Good\|Drunk}}, then you learn that any information you receive(d) is (almost certainly) false, that nobody else the Drunk, and that at least one Outsider is in play - all of which can be very useful information.		* '''Information that you receive will be more vague and based more on intuition than deduction''' - but there are still useful points to be gained if you are crafty and observant. For example, if you are the {{Good\|Saint}}, pay particular attention to players especially enthusiastic about executing you - they are probably evil. If you are the {{Good\|Butler}}, pay attention to when your master votes - if they know you are their {{Good\|Butler}}, they will usually vote so that you vote too. If you are the {{Good\|Drunk}}, and you can figure out that you are the {{Good\|Drunk}}, then you learn that any information you receive(d) is (almost certainly) false, that nobody else the Drunk, and that at least one Outsider is in play - all of which can be very useful information.

	* '''Count the number of players who are claiming to be Outsiders''', and compare this number to how many Outsiders are supposed to be in play. (This number is listed on the Traveller sheet, which should be under the Town Square in the center of the circle). If the number of players claiming to be Outsiders is the correct number, you can safely assume that those players are good - this is helpful, because even though Outsider abilities are unhelpful to the team, you know that those players are good, and you should be executing all other players instead. For example, if the game is supposed to have two Outsiders, and players have claimed to be the {{Good\|Saint}} and the {{Good\|Butler}}, then they are probably telling the truth. If there are too many players claiming to be Outsiders, you know that one (or more!) of them are lying. For example, if the game is supposed to have only one Outsider, and two players are claiming to be the {{Good\|Goon}} and the {{Good\|Moonchild}}, then you should probably kill both of them, since at least one of them is evil. However, if you have fewer players claim to be Outsiders than Outsiders in play, then there is a character in play that either reduces the number of Outsiders in play (such as the {{~~Good~~\|Godfather}}), or makes Outsiders invisible (such as the {{Good\|Drunk}}). Either way, this is information that you can use.		* '''Count the number of players who are claiming to be Outsiders''', and compare this number to how many Outsiders are supposed to be in play. (This number is listed on the Traveller sheet, which should be under the Town Square in the center of the circle). If the number of players claiming to be Outsiders is the correct number, you can safely assume that those players are good - this is helpful, because even though Outsider abilities are unhelpful to the team, you know that those players are good, and you should be executing all other players instead. For example, if the game is supposed to have two Outsiders, and players have claimed to be the {{Good\|Saint}} and the {{Good\|Butler}}, then they are probably telling the truth. If there are too many players claiming to be Outsiders, you know that one (or more!) of them are lying. For example, if the game is supposed to have only one Outsider, and two players are claiming to be the {{Good\|Goon}} and the {{Good\|Moonchild}}, then you should probably kill both of them, since at least one of them is evil. However, if you have fewer players claim to be Outsiders than Outsiders in play, then there is a character in play that either reduces the number of Outsiders in play (such as the {{Evil\|Godfather}}), or makes Outsiders invisible (such as the {{Good\|Drunk}}). Either way, this is information that you can use.

	* '''If you think that you will be alive on the final day''', it can be best to not reveal who you are until that day arrives. At that point, when just three or four players are alive, revealing that you are an Outsider will often be believed, since there is supposed to be an Outsider in play. This means that if you are believed, then that is one less player that is suspicious enough to be executed. Instead of the good team choosing between three players to execute, for example, they are choosing between two. Increasing the odds of your team winning from 33% to 50% is a pretty significant boon.		* '''If you think that you will be alive on the final day''', it can be best to not reveal who you are until that day arrives. At that point, when just three or four players are alive, revealing that you are an Outsider will often be believed, since there is supposed to be an Outsider in play. This means that if you are believed, then that is one less player that is suspicious enough to be executed. Instead of the good team choosing between three players to execute, for example, they are choosing between two. Increasing the odds of your team winning from 33% to 50% is a pretty significant boon.

Administrator: /* Thank Heavens, I'm Good! Now What? */

2023-12-01T08:34:00Z

Thank Heavens, I'm Good! Now What?

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	* '''If you want to reveal your character to the group, but don't want the Demon to know who you are''', you can tell another player to pretend to be your character, or to simply tell the group your information on your behalf. For example, if a player says "I know that an {{Good\|Investigator}} is in play, and that either Amy or Evin is the Minion, but I'm not going to reveal who the Investigator is", then your identity is kept secret.		* '''If you want to reveal your character to the group, but don't want the Demon to know who you are''', you can tell another player to pretend to be your character, or to simply tell the group your information on your behalf. For example, if a player says "I know that an {{Good\|Investigator}} is in play, and that either Amy or Evin is the Minion, but I'm not going to reveal who the Investigator is", then your identity is kept secret.

	* '''Tell the truth at some stage'''. While you do not have to reveal your character to the group straight away, you should reveal who you are, truthfully, before the final nominations occur. Some characters can benefit by hiding for a few days so as to ~~collection~~ information, but on the whole, the more good players who truthfully say who they are, the more information the good team has to collaborate and coordinate with. Even if you reveal which character you are, and you die because of it, you are still in the game, and your opinion may be even more respected.		* '''Tell the truth at some stage'''. While you do not have to reveal your character to the group straight away, you should reveal who you are, truthfully, before the final nominations occur. Some characters can benefit by hiding for a few days so as to collect information, but on the whole, the more good players who truthfully say who they are, the more information the good team has to collaborate and coordinate with. Even if you reveal which character you are, and you die because of it, you are still in the game, and your opinion may be even more respected.

	* '''Prove who you are'''. This is difficult, but doable. In most cases, your character ability will not prove who you are to the group, but other characters' abilities may be able to prove who you are. Or, at least, provide good with a case that is good enough to keep you alive. For example, if the {{Good\|Chef}} says that evil players are not sitting next to each other, and you can convince the group that one of your neighbours is evil by utilizing the abilities of the {{Good\|Undertaker}}, {{Good\|Virgin}}, {{Good\|Empath}}, {{Good\|Investigator}} or even the {{Good\|Recluse}}, then you can look golden.		* '''Prove who you are'''. This is difficult, but doable. In most cases, your character ability will not prove who you are to the group, but other characters' abilities may be able to prove who you are. Or, at least, provide good with a case that is good enough to keep you alive. For example, if the {{Good\|Chef}} says that evil players are not sitting next to each other, and you can convince the group that one of your neighbours is evil by utilizing the abilities of the {{Good\|Undertaker}}, {{Good\|Virgin}}, {{Good\|Empath}}, {{Good\|Investigator}} or even the {{Good\|Recluse}}, then you can look golden.
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	* '''Find a way to overcome your character limitation'''. Your character ability is a hindrance to your team, and can drastically hamper your team's chances of winning; but if you can nullify that ability (or even turn it into an advantage!), then you have become a significant help to to your team, and increased the chance of a good victory. For example, if you are the {{Good\|Saint}}, then do whatever you can to prove you are the Saint. If you are the {{Good\|Klutz}}, then do some investigation and find a good player - if you die and use your ability on them, you have confirmed that player as good.		* '''Find a way to overcome your character limitation'''. Your character ability is a hindrance to your team, and can drastically hamper your team's chances of winning; but if you can nullify that ability (or even turn it into an advantage!), then you have become a significant help to to your team, and increased the chance of a good victory. For example, if you are the {{Good\|Saint}}, then do whatever you can to prove you are the Saint. If you are the {{Good\|Klutz}}, then do some investigation and find a good player - if you die and use your ability on them, you have confirmed that player as good.

	* '''Information that you receive will be more vague and based more on intuition than deduction''' - but there are still useful points to be gained if you are crafty and observant. For example, if you are the {{Good\|Saint}}, pay particular attention to players especially enthusiastic about executing you - they are probably evil. If you are the {{Good\|Butler}}, pay attention to when your master votes - if they know you are their {{Good\|Butler}}, they will usually vote so that you vote too. If you are the {{Good\|Drunk}}, and you can figure out that you are the {{Good\|Drunk}}, then you learn that any information you receive(d) is (almost certainly) false, that nobody ~~else~~ else the Drunk, and that at least one Outsider is in play - all of which can be very useful information.		* '''Information that you receive will be more vague and based more on intuition than deduction''' - but there are still useful points to be gained if you are crafty and observant. For example, if you are the {{Good\|Saint}}, pay particular attention to players especially enthusiastic about executing you - they are probably evil. If you are the {{Good\|Butler}}, pay attention to when your master votes - if they know you are their {{Good\|Butler}}, they will usually vote so that you vote too. If you are the {{Good\|Drunk}}, and you can figure out that you are the {{Good\|Drunk}}, then you learn that any information you receive(d) is (almost certainly) false, that nobody else the Drunk, and that at least one Outsider is in play - all of which can be very useful information.

	* '''Count the number of players who are claiming to be Outsiders''', and compare this number to how many Outsiders are supposed to be in play. (This number is listed on the Traveller sheet, which should be under the Town Square in the center of the circle). If the number of players claiming to be Outsiders is the correct number, you can safely assume that those players are good - this is helpful, because even though Outsider abilities are unhelpful to the team, you know that those players are good, and you should be executing all other players instead. For example, if the game is supposed to have two Outsiders, and players have claimed to be the {{Good\|Saint}} and the {{Good\|Butler}}, then they are probably telling the truth. If there are too many players claiming to be Outsiders, you know that one (or more!) of them are lying. For example, if the game is supposed to have only one Outsider, and two players are claiming to be the {{Good\|Goon}} and the {{Good\|Moonchild}}, then you should probably kill both of them, since at least one of them is evil. However, if you have fewer players claim to be Outsiders than Outsiders in play, then there is a character in play that either reduces the number of Outsiders in play (such as the {{Good\|Godfather}}), or makes Outsiders invisible (such as the {{Good\|Drunk}}). Either way, this is information that you can use.		* '''Count the number of players who are claiming to be Outsiders''', and compare this number to how many Outsiders are supposed to be in play. (This number is listed on the Traveller sheet, which should be under the Town Square in the center of the circle). If the number of players claiming to be Outsiders is the correct number, you can safely assume that those players are good - this is helpful, because even though Outsider abilities are unhelpful to the team, you know that those players are good, and you should be executing all other players instead. For example, if the game is supposed to have two Outsiders, and players have claimed to be the {{Good\|Saint}} and the {{Good\|Butler}}, then they are probably telling the truth. If there are too many players claiming to be Outsiders, you know that one (or more!) of them are lying. For example, if the game is supposed to have only one Outsider, and two players are claiming to be the {{Good\|Goon}} and the {{Good\|Moonchild}}, then you should probably kill both of them, since at least one of them is evil. However, if you have fewer players claim to be Outsiders than Outsiders in play, then there is a character in play that either reduces the number of Outsiders in play (such as the {{Good\|Godfather}}), or makes Outsiders invisible (such as the {{Good\|Drunk}}). Either way, this is information that you can use.

Administrator: /* Thank Heavens, I'm Good! Now What? */

2023-12-01T08:32:11Z

Thank Heavens, I'm Good! Now What?

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	**The {{Good\|Undertaker}} learns that the last three executed players were the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}, the {{Good\|Investigator}} and the {{Good\|Butler}}. Trusting that the {{Good\|Undertaker}} is telling the truth, you can infer that the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}, {{Good\|Investigator}}, and {{Good\|Butler}} are also telling the truth. Therefore, the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}'s information is correct (which means you can now trust the Townsfolk that they learnt about) and the {{Good\|Investigator}}'s information is correct too. And in this case, the {{Good\|Investigator}} is claiming that they learnt that either the player claiming {{Good\|Butler}}, or the player claiming {{Good\|Saint}} is actually the {{Evil\|Baron}}. Since you trust the {{Good\|Butler}} and the {{Good\|Investigator}} (continuing on the assumption that the {{Good\|Undertaker}} is telling the truth), you now know that the player claiming to be the {{Good\|Saint}} is actually the {{Evil\|Baron}}.		**The {{Good\|Undertaker}} learns that the last three executed players were the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}, the {{Good\|Investigator}} and the {{Good\|Butler}}. Trusting that the {{Good\|Undertaker}} is telling the truth, you can infer that the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}, {{Good\|Investigator}}, and {{Good\|Butler}} are also telling the truth. Therefore, the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}'s information is correct (which means you can now trust the Townsfolk that they learnt about) and the {{Good\|Investigator}}'s information is correct too. And in this case, the {{Good\|Investigator}} is claiming that they learnt that either the player claiming {{Good\|Butler}}, or the player claiming {{Good\|Saint}} is actually the {{Evil\|Baron}}. Since you trust the {{Good\|Butler}} and the {{Good\|Investigator}} (continuing on the assumption that the {{Good\|Undertaker}} is telling the truth), you now know that the player claiming to be the {{Good\|Saint}} is actually the {{Evil\|Baron}}.
	** The {{Good\|Virgin}} is nominated by the player claiming to be the {{Good\|Empath}}, who is executed immediately due to the {{Good\|Virgin}}'s ability. The {{Good\|Empath}} is claiming that both their neighbours are evil. But the {{Good\|Fortune Teller}} is claiming that neither of the {{Good\|Empath}}'s neighbours is the Demon. Since (in this game), there are only two evil players, something is fishy. Starting with the obvious fact that the {{Good\|Virgin}} is who they say they are, you can deduce that the {{Good\|Fortune Teller}} is lying, since the {{Good\|Empath}} is a confirmed Townsfolk.		** The {{Good\|Virgin}} is nominated by the player claiming to be the {{Good\|Empath}}, who is executed immediately due to the {{Good\|Virgin}}'s ability. The {{Good\|Empath}} is claiming that both their neighbours are evil. But the {{Good\|Fortune Teller}} is claiming that neither of the {{Good\|Empath}}'s neighbours is the Demon. Since (in this game), there are only two evil players, something is fishy. Starting with the obvious fact that the {{Good\|Virgin}} is who they say they are, you can deduce that the {{Good\|Fortune Teller}} is lying, since the {{Good\|Empath}} is a confirmed Townsfolk.
	** The {{Good\|Investigator}} learns that one of two players is the {{Evil\|Scarlet Woman}}. Assuming that the {{Good\|Investigator}} is telling the truth, the good team executes both of these players. Afterwards, the {{Good\|Slayer}} kills the Demon and the game continues. Given that there is only one Minion in play, this must mean that the {{~~Good~~\|Scarlet Woman}} is still alive. If you assume that the {{Good\|Investigator}} is telling the truth, then an impossibility occurs, so the {{Good\|Investigator}} must be lying, or drunk/poisoned.		** The {{Good\|Investigator}} learns that one of two players is the {{Evil\|Scarlet Woman}}. Assuming that the {{Good\|Investigator}} is telling the truth, the good team executes both of these players. Afterwards, the {{Good\|Slayer}} kills the Demon and the game continues. Given that there is only one Minion in play, this must mean that the {{Evil\|Scarlet Woman}} is still alive. If you assume that the {{Good\|Investigator}} is telling the truth, then an impossibility occurs, so the {{Good\|Investigator}} must be lying, or drunk/poisoned.
	** The {{Good\|Ravenkeeper}} dies at night and claims that the player claiming to be the {{Good\|Mayor}} is actually the {{Good\|Drunk}}. Assuming that the {{Good\|Ravenkeeper}} is telling the truth, that means that an Outsider is in play. But in this game, there are not supposed to be any Outsiders, which means the Minion is a {{Evil\|Baron}}. If the {{Evil\|Baron}} is in-play, then that player that has been claiming to be the {{Good\|Recluse}} all game, is actually the {{Good\|Recluse}} (since in this game, no other players are claiming to be Outsiders).		** The {{Good\|Ravenkeeper}} dies at night and claims that the player claiming to be the {{Good\|Mayor}} is actually the {{Good\|Drunk}}. Assuming that the {{Good\|Ravenkeeper}} is telling the truth, that means that an Outsider is in play. But in this game, there are not supposed to be any Outsiders, which means the Minion is a {{Evil\|Baron}}. If the {{Evil\|Baron}} is in-play, then that player that has been claiming to be the {{Good\|Recluse}} all game, is actually the {{Good\|Recluse}} (since in this game, no other players are claiming to be Outsiders).

Administrator: Created page with "This is a page covering general strategies for good and evil players. This is a guide and not gospel. Follow your heart! == Thank Heavens, I'm Good! Now What? == So, you've drawn a blue token out of the bag and you're not sure what to do next? Is there too much information being talked about? Not enough? Who do you vote for? Why? How do you figure out who is who? How do you get people to trust you? Read on, to find out more... * '''Find out what your "job" is.''' When..."

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Created page with "This is a page covering general strategies for good and evil players. This is a guide and not gospel. Follow your heart! == Thank Heavens, I'm Good! Now What? == So, you've drawn a blue token out of the bag and you're not sure what to do next? Is there too much information being talked about? Not enough? Who do you vote for? Why? How do you figure out who is who? How do you get people to trust you? Read on, to find out more... * '''Find out what your "job" is.''' When..."

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	* '''If you want to reveal your character to the group, but don't want the Demon to know who you are''', you can tell another player to pretend to be your character, or to simply tell the group your information on your behalf. For example, if a player says "I know that an {{Good\|Investigator}} is in play, and that either Amy or Evin is the Minion, but I'm not going to reveal who the Investigator is", then your identity is kept secret.		* '''If you want to reveal your character to the group, but don't want the Demon to know who you are''', you can tell another player to pretend to be your character, or to simply tell the group your information on your behalf. For example, if a player says "I know that an {{Good\|Investigator}} is in play, and that either Amy or Evin is the Minion, but I'm not going to reveal who the Investigator is", then your identity is kept secret.

	* '''Tell the truth at some stage'''. While you do not have to reveal your character to the group straight away, you should reveal who you are, truthfully, before the final nominations occur. Some characters can benefit by hiding for a few days so as to ~~collection~~ information, but on the whole, the more good players who truthfully say who they are, the more information the good team has to collaborate and coordinate with. Even if you reveal which character you are, and you die because of it, you are still in the game, and your opinion may be even more respected.		* '''Tell the truth at some stage'''. While you do not have to reveal your character to the group straight away, you should reveal who you are, truthfully, before the final nominations occur. Some characters can benefit by hiding for a few days so as to collect information, but on the whole, the more good players who truthfully say who they are, the more information the good team has to collaborate and coordinate with. Even if you reveal which character you are, and you die because of it, you are still in the game, and your opinion may be even more respected.

	* '''Prove who you are'''. This is difficult, but doable. In most cases, your character ability will not prove who you are to the group, but other characters' abilities may be able to prove who you are. Or, at least, provide good with a case that is good enough to keep you alive. For example, if the {{Good\|Chef}} says that evil players are not sitting next to each other, and you can convince the group that one of your neighbours is evil by utilizing the abilities of the {{Good\|Undertaker}}, {{Good\|Virgin}}, {{Good\|Empath}}, {{Good\|Investigator}} or even the {{Good\|Recluse}}, then you can look golden.		* '''Prove who you are'''. This is difficult, but doable. In most cases, your character ability will not prove who you are to the group, but other characters' abilities may be able to prove who you are. Or, at least, provide good with a case that is good enough to keep you alive. For example, if the {{Good\|Chef}} says that evil players are not sitting next to each other, and you can convince the group that one of your neighbours is evil by utilizing the abilities of the {{Good\|Undertaker}}, {{Good\|Virgin}}, {{Good\|Empath}}, {{Good\|Investigator}} or even the {{Good\|Recluse}}, then you can look golden.
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	* '''Find a way to overcome your character limitation'''. Your character ability is a hindrance to your team, and can drastically hamper your team's chances of winning; but if you can nullify that ability (or even turn it into an advantage!), then you have become a significant help to to your team, and increased the chance of a good victory. For example, if you are the {{Good\|Saint}}, then do whatever you can to prove you are the Saint. If you are the {{Good\|Klutz}}, then do some investigation and find a good player - if you die and use your ability on them, you have confirmed that player as good.		* '''Find a way to overcome your character limitation'''. Your character ability is a hindrance to your team, and can drastically hamper your team's chances of winning; but if you can nullify that ability (or even turn it into an advantage!), then you have become a significant help to to your team, and increased the chance of a good victory. For example, if you are the {{Good\|Saint}}, then do whatever you can to prove you are the Saint. If you are the {{Good\|Klutz}}, then do some investigation and find a good player - if you die and use your ability on them, you have confirmed that player as good.

	* '''Information that you receive will be more vague and based more on intuition than deduction''' - but there are still useful points to be gained if you are crafty and observant. For example, if you are the {{Good\|Saint}}, pay particular attention to players especially enthusiastic about executing you - they are probably evil. If you are the {{Good\|Butler}}, pay attention to when your master votes - if they know you are their {{Good\|Butler}}, they will usually vote so that you vote too. If you are the {{Good\|Drunk}}, and you can figure out that you are the {{Good\|Drunk}}, then you learn that any information you receive(d) is (almost certainly) false, that nobody ~~else~~ else the Drunk, and that at least one Outsider is in play - all of which can be very useful information.		* '''Information that you receive will be more vague and based more on intuition than deduction''' - but there are still useful points to be gained if you are crafty and observant. For example, if you are the {{Good\|Saint}}, pay particular attention to players especially enthusiastic about executing you - they are probably evil. If you are the {{Good\|Butler}}, pay attention to when your master votes - if they know you are their {{Good\|Butler}}, they will usually vote so that you vote too. If you are the {{Good\|Drunk}}, and you can figure out that you are the {{Good\|Drunk}}, then you learn that any information you receive(d) is (almost certainly) false, that nobody else the Drunk, and that at least one Outsider is in play - all of which can be very useful information.

	* '''Count the number of players who are claiming to be Outsiders''', and compare this number to how many Outsiders are supposed to be in play. (This number is listed on the Traveller sheet, which should be under the Town Square in the center of the circle). If the number of players claiming to be Outsiders is the correct number, you can safely assume that those players are good - this is helpful, because even though Outsider abilities are unhelpful to the team, you know that those players are good, and you should be executing all other players instead. For example, if the game is supposed to have two Outsiders, and players have claimed to be the {{Good\|Saint}} and the {{Good\|Butler}}, then they are probably telling the truth. If there are too many players claiming to be Outsiders, you know that one (or more!) of them are lying. For example, if the game is supposed to have only one Outsider, and two players are claiming to be the {{Good\|Goon}} and the {{Good\|Moonchild}}, then you should probably kill both of them, since at least one of them is evil. However, if you have fewer players claim to be Outsiders than Outsiders in play, then there is a character in play that either reduces the number of Outsiders in play (such as the {{Good\|Godfather}}), or makes Outsiders invisible (such as the {{Good\|Drunk}}). Either way, this is information that you can use.		* '''Count the number of players who are claiming to be Outsiders''', and compare this number to how many Outsiders are supposed to be in play. (This number is listed on the Traveller sheet, which should be under the Town Square in the center of the circle). If the number of players claiming to be Outsiders is the correct number, you can safely assume that those players are good - this is helpful, because even though Outsider abilities are unhelpful to the team, you know that those players are good, and you should be executing all other players instead. For example, if the game is supposed to have two Outsiders, and players have claimed to be the {{Good\|Saint}} and the {{Good\|Butler}}, then they are probably telling the truth. If there are too many players claiming to be Outsiders, you know that one (or more!) of them are lying. For example, if the game is supposed to have only one Outsider, and two players are claiming to be the {{Good\|Goon}} and the {{Good\|Moonchild}}, then you should probably kill both of them, since at least one of them is evil. However, if you have fewer players claim to be Outsiders than Outsiders in play, then there is a character in play that either reduces the number of Outsiders in play (such as the {{Good\|Godfather}}), or makes Outsiders invisible (such as the {{Good\|Drunk}}). Either way, this is information that you can use.

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	**The {{Good\|Undertaker}} learns that the last three executed players were the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}, the {{Good\|Investigator}} and the {{Good\|Butler}}. Trusting that the {{Good\|Undertaker}} is telling the truth, you can infer that the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}, {{Good\|Investigator}}, and {{Good\|Butler}} are also telling the truth. Therefore, the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}'s information is correct (which means you can now trust the Townsfolk that they learnt about) and the {{Good\|Investigator}}'s information is correct too. And in this case, the {{Good\|Investigator}} is claiming that they learnt that either the player claiming {{Good\|Butler}}, or the player claiming {{Good\|Saint}} is actually the {{Evil\|Baron}}. Since you trust the {{Good\|Butler}} and the {{Good\|Investigator}} (continuing on the assumption that the {{Good\|Undertaker}} is telling the truth), you now know that the player claiming to be the {{Good\|Saint}} is actually the {{Evil\|Baron}}.		**The {{Good\|Undertaker}} learns that the last three executed players were the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}, the {{Good\|Investigator}} and the {{Good\|Butler}}. Trusting that the {{Good\|Undertaker}} is telling the truth, you can infer that the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}, {{Good\|Investigator}}, and {{Good\|Butler}} are also telling the truth. Therefore, the {{Good\|Washerwoman}}'s information is correct (which means you can now trust the Townsfolk that they learnt about) and the {{Good\|Investigator}}'s information is correct too. And in this case, the {{Good\|Investigator}} is claiming that they learnt that either the player claiming {{Good\|Butler}}, or the player claiming {{Good\|Saint}} is actually the {{Evil\|Baron}}. Since you trust the {{Good\|Butler}} and the {{Good\|Investigator}} (continuing on the assumption that the {{Good\|Undertaker}} is telling the truth), you now know that the player claiming to be the {{Good\|Saint}} is actually the {{Evil\|Baron}}.
	** The {{Good\|Virgin}} is nominated by the player claiming to be the {{Good\|Empath}}, who is executed immediately due to the {{Good\|Virgin}}'s ability. The {{Good\|Empath}} is claiming that both their neighbours are evil. But the {{Good\|Fortune Teller}} is claiming that neither of the {{Good\|Empath}}'s neighbours is the Demon. Since (in this game), there are only two evil players, something is fishy. Starting with the obvious fact that the {{Good\|Virgin}} is who they say they are, you can deduce that the {{Good\|Fortune Teller}} is lying, since the {{Good\|Empath}} is a confirmed Townsfolk.		** The {{Good\|Virgin}} is nominated by the player claiming to be the {{Good\|Empath}}, who is executed immediately due to the {{Good\|Virgin}}'s ability. The {{Good\|Empath}} is claiming that both their neighbours are evil. But the {{Good\|Fortune Teller}} is claiming that neither of the {{Good\|Empath}}'s neighbours is the Demon. Since (in this game), there are only two evil players, something is fishy. Starting with the obvious fact that the {{Good\|Virgin}} is who they say they are, you can deduce that the {{Good\|Fortune Teller}} is lying, since the {{Good\|Empath}} is a confirmed Townsfolk.
	** The {{Good\|Investigator}} learns that one of two players is the {{Evil\|Scarlet Woman}}. Assuming that the {{Good\|Investigator}} is telling the truth, the good team executes both of these players. Afterwards, the {{Good\|Slayer}} kills the Demon and the game continues. Given that there is only one Minion in play, this must mean that the {{~~Good~~\|Scarlet Woman}} is still alive. If you assume that the {{Good\|Investigator}} is telling the truth, then an impossibility occurs, so the {{Good\|Investigator}} must be lying, or drunk/poisoned.		** The {{Good\|Investigator}} learns that one of two players is the {{Evil\|Scarlet Woman}}. Assuming that the {{Good\|Investigator}} is telling the truth, the good team executes both of these players. Afterwards, the {{Good\|Slayer}} kills the Demon and the game continues. Given that there is only one Minion in play, this must mean that the {{Evil\|Scarlet Woman}} is still alive. If you assume that the {{Good\|Investigator}} is telling the truth, then an impossibility occurs, so the {{Good\|Investigator}} must be lying, or drunk/poisoned.
	** The {{Good\|Ravenkeeper}} dies at night and claims that the player claiming to be the {{Good\|Mayor}} is actually the {{Good\|Drunk}}. Assuming that the {{Good\|Ravenkeeper}} is telling the truth, that means that an Outsider is in play. But in this game, there are not supposed to be any Outsiders, which means the Minion is a {{Evil\|Baron}}. If the {{Evil\|Baron}} is in-play, then that player that has been claiming to be the {{Good\|Recluse}} all game, is actually the {{Good\|Recluse}} (since in this game, no other players are claiming to be Outsiders).		** The {{Good\|Ravenkeeper}} dies at night and claims that the player claiming to be the {{Good\|Mayor}} is actually the {{Good\|Drunk}}. Assuming that the {{Good\|Ravenkeeper}} is telling the truth, that means that an Outsider is in play. But in this game, there are not supposed to be any Outsiders, which means the Minion is a {{Evil\|Baron}}. If the {{Evil\|Baron}} is in-play, then that player that has been claiming to be the {{Good\|Recluse}} all game, is actually the {{Good\|Recluse}} (since in this game, no other players are claiming to be Outsiders).